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Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 15:27:00 - [1] Hard to say for certain but my first guess is you have serious cooling issues. In short, your system is overheating. There are a number of ways to help with that but for starters try turning all of the graphical enhancements off on your video card. Turn of Antialiasing, Anisotropic filtering, reduce resolution to the minimum for EVE and anything else you can think of. This may or may not help as the x800 runs toasty anyway but by lowwering all these settings you lower the work the card does thus lowering its temperature. Doesn't hurt to give it a try for testing purposes.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 15:27:00 - [2] Hard to say for certain but my first guess is you have serious cooling issues. In short, your system is overheating. There are a number of ways to help with that but for starters try turning all of the graphical enhancements off on your video card. Turn of Antialiasing, Anisotropic filtering, reduce resolution to the minimum for EVE and anything else you can think of. This may or may not help as the x800 runs toasty anyway but by lowwering all these settings you lower the work the card does thus lowering its temperature. Doesn't hurt to give it a try for testing purposes.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:15:00 - [3] Originally by: OmegaTron my tower Temp is 27 degrees , my CPU runs at 136 degrees and my Video card runs at 48 degrees. is that good? I assume you went Celsius, Fahrenheit, Celsius on me with those numbers above because if that second number is in Celsius I'd say you have major issues . That 136 if Fahrenheit = ~58 Celsius which is not bad at all. Athlon CPUs for instance tolerate 80-90 C (not sure about Intel but doubtless it is higher than 60 C although you may want to look it up). According to ATI the x800 runs into trouble at 100 C where actual damage may start occuring. Of course they set the thresholds for the card to save itself a good bit below 100 C as a result. However, are those idle temps or are those temps what you get when banging away in games? - Check running temp under full load. - Check where your thresholds are set for the systems to shutdown to avoid damage (mobo, vid card). - Turn off Overdrive on the video card if it is on. For that matter if you are overclocking anything stop it and fall back to normal settings. Once stable then think of maybe overclocking. - Make sure your BIOS for your motherboard is up-to-date. Go here: Motherboard Links for starters. - Check your BIOS settings as relates to your video card. AGP Turbo Mode disabled, Primary Frame Buffer or VGA Frame Buffer disabled, AGP 1x/2x/4x set appropriately (you may want to ry 4x for testing), AGP Aperature at Default or 64MB Note the BIOS settings are just for testing. Once the system is stable it may well work better with different settings. You can go back and turn things up (turbo, 4x to 8x, etc.) one at a time and see what effect it has. If stability is lost then you know where to back off.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:15:00 - [4] Originally by: OmegaTron my tower Temp is 27 degrees , my CPU runs at 136 degrees and my Video card runs at 48 degrees. is that good? I assume you went Celsius, Fahrenheit, Celsius on me with those numbers above because if that second number is in Celsius I'd say you have major issues . That 136 if Fahrenheit = ~58 Celsius which is not bad at all. Athlon CPUs for instance tolerate 80-90 C (not sure about Intel but doubtless it is higher than 60 C although you may want to look it up). According to ATI the x800 runs into trouble at 100 C where actual damage may start occuring. Of course they set the thresholds for the card to save itself a good bit below 100 C as a result. However, are those idle temps or are those temps what you get when banging away in games? - Check running temp under full load. - Check where your thresholds are set for the systems to shutdown to avoid damage (mobo, vid card). - Turn off Overdrive on the video card if it is on. For that matter if you are overclocking anything stop it and fall back to normal settings. Once stable then think of maybe overclocking. - Make sure your BIOS for your motherboard is up-to-date. Go here: Motherboard Links for starters. - Check your BIOS settings as relates to your video card. AGP Turbo Mode disabled, Primary Frame Buffer or VGA Frame Buffer disabled, AGP 1x/2x/4x set appropriately (you may want to ry 4x for testing), AGP Aperature at Default or 64MB Note the BIOS settings are just for testing. Once the system is stable it may well work better with different settings. You can go back and turn things up (turbo, 4x to 8x, etc.) one at a time and see what effect it has. If stability is lost then you know where to back off.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:17:00 - [5] Originally by: Procion your PSU might not be powerful enough (PSU = power supply unit) what watt is it rated at? if that was my system i would have built it with a 400+ wat psu. Excellent point. That occurred to me too but i forgot to mention it. I'd say a 400 Watt PSU minimum. 450 Watt if you like a bit of headroom on the system. 350 Watt will probably get most people by. 300 Watt or lower I'd expect problems.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Procion your PSU might not be powerful enough (PSU = power supply unit) what watt is it rated at? if that was my system i would have built it with a 400+ wat psu. Excellent point. That occurred to me too but i forgot to mention it. I'd say a 400 Watt PSU minimum. 450 Watt if you like a bit of headroom on the system. 350 Watt will probably get most people by. 300 Watt or lower I'd expect problems.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:48:00 - [7] Originally by: OmegaTron wow thanks alot m8, but i have no idea what you just said how do i check my BIOS? i have a MSI mobo and i don't see it in that link MSI = Micro-Star International <-- Linkage to BIOS download area Also, you did not say if the temps you reported were idle temps or temps you get while running games. That can be a BIG difference. I have an Athlon 64, Radeon 9800 XT and two 10k RPM hard drives running and with two intake fans, three exhaust fans and a monster heatsink+fan running (not to mention mobo fans and video card fans) and my system runs pretty toasty while playing games. It actually heats my room all by itself. Point is cooling these days can be harder than one would think.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:48:00 - [8] Originally by: OmegaTron wow thanks alot m8, but i have no idea what you just said how do i check my BIOS? i have a MSI mobo and i don't see it in that link MSI = Micro-Star International <-- Linkage to BIOS download area Also, you did not say if the temps you reported were idle temps or temps you get while running games. That can be a BIG difference. I have an Athlon 64, Radeon 9800 XT and two 10k RPM hard drives running and with two intake fans, three exhaust fans and a monster heatsink+fan running (not to mention mobo fans and video card fans) and my system runs pretty toasty while playing games. It actually heats my room all by itself. Point is cooling these days can be harder than one would think.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:57:00 - [9] Edited by: Mon Palae on 25/08/2004 17:09:50 I forgot... Getting into BIOS differs from one manufacturer to another but usually you will see a message appear on the screen (just after power on/reboot) for a few seconds that says something like "Hit DELETE to enter setup". That will take you to you BIOS. A few things... - Not all BIOS are created the same. Some motherboards will allow for a wide degree of monkeying with the settings and some hardly let you do more than set the system time. If you buy a PC from a company like Dell they tend to see that the BIOS options are extremely limited (reduces support calls to them). - Messing with your BIOS settings can potentially hose your computer so be careful. Make note of any settings you change. Note the setting it is now and the new setting so you can go back and put it back if your system crashes. If you are not sure what something does leave it alone. Only make changes if you know what it is you are changing or are instructed to by a manufacturer (what I suggested above are recommended test settings from ATI).
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 16:57:00 - [10] Edited by: Mon Palae on 25/08/2004 17:09:50 I forgot... Getting into BIOS differs from one manufacturer to another but usually you will see a message appear on the screen (just after power on/reboot) for a few seconds that says something like "Hit DELETE to enter setup". That will take you to you BIOS. A few things... - Not all BIOS are created the same. Some motherboards will allow for a wide degree of monkeying with the settings and some hardly let you do more than set the system time. If you buy a PC from a company like Dell they tend to see that the BIOS options are extremely limited (reduces support calls to them). - Messing with your BIOS settings can potentially hose your computer so be careful. Make note of any settings you change. Note the setting it is now and the new setting so you can go back and put it back if your system crashes. If you are not sure what something does leave it alone. Only make changes if you know what it is you are changing or are instructed to by a manufacturer (what I suggested above are recommended test settings from ATI).
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:03:00 - [11] Originally by: ErrorS dont bother flashing your BIOS unless it specifically says it fixes a problem you have. You can kill your motherboard if you mess up a bios flash These days messing up a BIOS flash is generally pretty hard. The flash item can detect if it is appropriate to the machine and not run if it is wrong. Other than that you would need a power failure to screw it up (or turn it off yourself in the middle of it all). Usually there is a BIG warning to this effect while it occurs so you know not to touch anything. The Flash usually finishes in 10-20 seconds so you are not in a danger area for too long. All of that said different manufacturers have differing levels of how well and how slick the BIOS flash process is. MSI is a big name and I would hope they have their act together in this respect but anything is possible. If this is a new PC and was built from scratch a BIOS update may very well be in order. It is possible to check what BIOS revision you have versus what a new one is. Each manufacturer differs on how to find this out (sometimes it is not obvious at all) but if you see yuo are way out of revision level this might be worth pursuing.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 17:03:00 - [12] Originally by: ErrorS dont bother flashing your BIOS unless it specifically says it fixes a problem you have. You can kill your motherboard if you mess up a bios flash These days messing up a BIOS flash is generally pretty hard. The flash item can detect if it is appropriate to the machine and not run if it is wrong. Other than that you would need a power failure to screw it up (or turn it off yourself in the middle of it all). Usually there is a BIG warning to this effect while it occurs so you know not to touch anything. The Flash usually finishes in 10-20 seconds so you are not in a danger area for too long. All of that said different manufacturers have differing levels of how well and how slick the BIOS flash process is. MSI is a big name and I would hope they have their act together in this respect but anything is possible. If this is a new PC and was built from scratch a BIOS update may very well be in order. It is possible to check what BIOS revision you have versus what a new one is. Each manufacturer differs on how to find this out (sometimes it is not obvious at all) but if you see yuo are way out of revision level this might be worth pursuing.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Mon Palae on 25/08/2004 18:06:16 Originally by: OmegaTron my FSB is set to 200mhz, should this be higher? i thought its suppose to be 800mhz FSB? FSB setting depends on the memory you have. The Front Side Bus is the path that connects memory to the CPU. Usually these days people have DDR memory (DDR = Double Data Rate). So if you think you should have an 800 mhz FSB then the proper setting is more likely 400mhz for the FSB. The DDR RAM multiplies that by 2x giving you an effective 800 mhz FSB. Effectively you would need DDR400 RAM to get the 800mhz. Again, this all depends on data you have not given. Specific motherboard and specific type of RAM (very specific info...LOTS of different memory out these days).
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 18:00:00 - [14] Edited by: Mon Palae on 25/08/2004 18:06:16 Originally by: OmegaTron my FSB is set to 200mhz, should this be higher? i thought its suppose to be 800mhz FSB? FSB setting depends on the memory you have. The Front Side Bus is the path that connects memory to the CPU. Usually these days people have DDR memory (DDR = Double Data Rate). So if you think you should have an 800 mhz FSB then the proper setting is more likely 400mhz for the FSB. The DDR RAM multiplies that by 2x giving you an effective 800 mhz FSB. Effectively you would need DDR400 RAM to get the 800mhz. Again, this all depends on data you have not given. Specific motherboard and specific type of RAM (very specific info...LOTS of different memory out these days).
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 19:12:00 - [15] Originally by: OmegaTron Mobo = Intel 865PE Chipset Based 865PE Neo2-P (MS-6728)(v2.X) ATX Mobo Version 2.1 Deigned for Intel Pentium 4 NorthWood/Prescott(Socket 478)Processors Memory = 2x dual 512 ddr400 pc3200 Corsair Pros 400mhz each PC3200 Memory is made for a 200Mhz FSB. So your FSB setting seems correct. The DDR part of your memory gives you an effective FSB of 400Mhz. The part I am unsure about is if you have Dual Channel DDR RAM and if that gets you an effective 800Mhz speed. Been awhile since I studied up on memory specifications...they really are getting confisusing compared to the good olod days when there was just one type of memory to be had.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 19:12:00 - [16] Originally by: OmegaTron Mobo = Intel 865PE Chipset Based 865PE Neo2-P (MS-6728)(v2.X) ATX Mobo Version 2.1 Deigned for Intel Pentium 4 NorthWood/Prescott(Socket 478)Processors Memory = 2x dual 512 ddr400 pc3200 Corsair Pros 400mhz each PC3200 Memory is made for a 200Mhz FSB. So your FSB setting seems correct. The DDR part of your memory gives you an effective FSB of 400Mhz. The part I am unsure about is if you have Dual Channel DDR RAM and if that gets you an effective 800Mhz speed. Been awhile since I studied up on memory specifications...they really are getting confisusing compared to the good olod days when there was just one type of memory to be had.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 20:33:00 - [17] Originally by: OmegaTron Question? AGP Aperture size was set at 64mb, my vid card is 256mb so i changed it to 256mg instead of 64mb. good? AGP Aperture Size merely tells the computer how much system memory to use to cache textures if it runs out of video RAM. In some cases setting this too high may actually decrease performance (although not usually). The main system memory is only used if your video card starts running low on memory and most games today the developers are pretty careful about making sure everything fits in video memory. If the video card has to start accessing system RAM performance will take a noticeable hit. So, setting it to 256MB is probably ok but not really necessaryàespecially not for a very modern card like yours is (any card with 128MB+ of video RAM). IÆd set it to 128MB personally but it is up to you. The recommended testing setting specified by ATI for the Radeon was setting that to 64MB which is why I mentioned it earlier. As for dual processors showing up IÆd need to see where and exactly what information is being displayed to you. Some BIOS are used across multiple motherboards so it may know about 2 processors and show an entry for that while being perfectly clear in its own head that you really only have one. Almost no games use dual processors whether you have them or not anyway (except for a special version of Quake I think) so I doubt it is an issue as EVE wouldnÆt try to access a second CPU even if your comp was telling it that it had one. That said correct settings is a good thing anyway so if your comp really is reporting that it has two CPUs available youÆll probably want to stop that but IÆd be amazed if that were the case. Without a second CPU present IÆd expect most BIOSes to not even allow you to toggle a setting saying you had one.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 20:33:00 - [18] Originally by: OmegaTron Question? AGP Aperture size was set at 64mb, my vid card is 256mb so i changed it to 256mg instead of 64mb. good? AGP Aperture Size merely tells the computer how much system memory to use to cache textures if it runs out of video RAM. In some cases setting this too high may actually decrease performance (although not usually). The main system memory is only used if your video card starts running low on memory and most games today the developers are pretty careful about making sure everything fits in video memory. If the video card has to start accessing system RAM performance will take a noticeable hit. So, setting it to 256MB is probably ok but not really necessaryàespecially not for a very modern card like yours is (any card with 128MB+ of video RAM). IÆd set it to 128MB personally but it is up to you. The recommended testing setting specified by ATI for the Radeon was setting that to 64MB which is why I mentioned it earlier. As for dual processors showing up IÆd need to see where and exactly what information is being displayed to you. Some BIOS are used across multiple motherboards so it may know about 2 processors and show an entry for that while being perfectly clear in its own head that you really only have one. Almost no games use dual processors whether you have them or not anyway (except for a special version of Quake I think) so I doubt it is an issue as EVE wouldnÆt try to access a second CPU even if your comp was telling it that it had one. That said correct settings is a good thing anyway so if your comp really is reporting that it has two CPUs available youÆll probably want to stop that but IÆd be amazed if that were the case. Without a second CPU present IÆd expect most BIOSes to not even allow you to toggle a setting saying you had one.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 20:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's because your single processor is hyperthread-enabled and the system shows this as 2 CPU's. No kidding? I did not know that. Cool...learned something new today!
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 20:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Joshua Calvert It's because your single processor is hyperthread-enabled and the system shows this as 2 CPU's. No kidding? I did not know that. Cool...learned something new today!
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 21:23:00 - [21] Originally by: Maya Rkell AGP Fast Write provides NO performance benefits to ATI graphics cards while drastically reducing stability. So turn it OFF. Really? Do you have more info on this? Fast Write allows the system to write directly to the video card bypassing writing the instruction to system memory first. This should result in a speed increase irrespective of the video card you use (assuming it supports Fast Write). The increase is reported to be 1-5% so you may or may not notice a difference (but every little bit helps). That said Fast Write will seriously destabilize a system if the video card does not support it. This feature is also tied closely to the motherboard and its BIOS so while your video card may support the feature if your mobo and/or BIOS arenÆt up for it you may experience real problems. I have a Radeon 9800 XT with Fast Write turned on and I have zero trouble with it. All of that said if you are experience crashes/lockups related to the video card (as is the case here) it is a good idea to turn it off along with all other speed boosting features and see if you get stability. Once the system is stable go back and start turning things on one at a time and see what happens then back off the step that destabilizes your system and you should be set.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.08.25 21:23:00 - [22] Originally by: Maya Rkell AGP Fast Write provides NO performance benefits to ATI graphics cards while drastically reducing stability. So turn it OFF. Really? Do you have more info on this? Fast Write allows the system to write directly to the video card bypassing writing the instruction to system memory first. This should result in a speed increase irrespective of the video card you use (assuming it supports Fast Write). The increase is reported to be 1-5% so you may or may not notice a difference (but every little bit helps). That said Fast Write will seriously destabilize a system if the video card does not support it. This feature is also tied closely to the motherboard and its BIOS so while your video card may support the feature if your mobo and/or BIOS arenÆt up for it you may experience real problems. I have a Radeon 9800 XT with Fast Write turned on and I have zero trouble with it. All of that said if you are experience crashes/lockups related to the video card (as is the case here) it is a good idea to turn it off along with all other speed boosting features and see if you get stability. Once the system is stable go back and start turning things on one at a time and see what happens then back off the step that destabilizes your system and you should be set.

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